George - I have the 23" ultimate and I'm putting in an outdoor kitchen with a built-in pizza oven and my KK of course. Let me give the KK some kudos first. The KK makes some damn fine pizzas. If I only had one piece of cooking equipment, its a Komodo Komado hands down. However, if you're making a true Neapolitan pizza, then ideally you need an oven that will get to 900-1000 degrees...which the KK will do but not easily and then the oven and the handle is hot to the touch. If you're just cooking one pizza, then this works alright. The issue with all kamado style cookers is that you can't see the pizza and every time you check it out, you're letting out the heat. If you adjust your dough recipe, you'll make damn fine pizza's at 500-600 degrees but the same issues persist and each pizza takes a bit longer which dries out the pizza a little more. Gas grills are for people in a hurry. The one thing I've learned about cooking is the best stuff, takes a little longer, which gives you more time to enjoy the process, your friends and a good drink...or more. In the end, I ditched the gas grill and I'm doing the KK and wood fired pizza oven for me...and a pellet smoker for my wife because its idiot proof. This way, everybody is happy except for my wallet.