Well karl, I have to agree with Toney on all points especially the welcome. Your Kamado has similarities to the KK but it falls far shy of approaching the quality that goes into it. It's as if your comparing a Chevy to a Caddy. Hey I drive a chevy! Any how I have a Primo, Grill Dome,Weber and an offset Lang as well as a 23 KK. Always looking to improve my game and if your up to the challenge there are people here that are quite gifted and willing to share. Hey, you may even come around and add one of these to your collection, you"'ll be glad you did. Welcome