DennisLinkletter Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Oscar may have the best version.. “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.” ― Oscar Wilde. It's not and it will never be.. So I'll just accept the flattery and leave it at that.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ora Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 It certainly is that has nothing on a KK wonder why he would go so far as to do this interestingOutback Kamado Bar and Grill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequod Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 For real?? Saw the other upgrades they were doing with the hinge and gasket, etc., and thought "inspired by KK". But are they really prototyping tiles and the top vent too?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon B. Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) I found the facebook post to be curious..............shows the prototype grill looking like a KK but then he says they don't like the way the tiles look and they would change the top vent??? Not buying the statement they did it just to show constant improvement at KJ. Maybe they were trying to say they could make a grill "like" a KK but they choose not to?????? Meaning their "look" is better.......who knows?? I was kind of put off...................as my KK has tiles . Maybe I should retire my Joe JR in protest. Edited January 5, 2017 by Jon B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequod Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, Jon B. said: I found the facebook post to be curious..............shows the prototype grill looking like a KK but then he says they don't like the way the tiles look and they would change the top vent??? Not buying the statement they did it just to show constant improvement at KJ. Maybe they were trying to say they could make a grill "like" a KK but they choose not to?????? Meaning their "look" is better.......who knows?? I was kind of put off...................as my KK has tiles . Maybe I should retire my Joe JR in protest. I think if you read between the lines, what this means is this: We built our own KK by tiling up a ceramic pot, found that it would cost more than a KK to produce and still be a ceramic pot. If we back off to the ceramic pot we can dial down the price, continue to "borrow" other KK features where possible (like 4 level cooking) and call it our own innovation. The new Big Joe is going to be around $1900. A KK 23" Ultimate is $4260. If they can do a 4-level Big Joe with all the other borrowed KK features for $3K their fanboys will eat it up. But it will still be a ceramic pot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequod Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Another observation: Looking at that thread on FB, Bobby poses the question of why shouldn't Kamado's be like iPhones or cars? Meaning, you'll need to buy a new one every few years or so to keep up with latest "innovations" if you want to live in the KJ ecosystem, which is now apparently designed around the pre-planned obsolescence philosophy. Folks there seem to be eating that up (most anyway). But if I have to spend $2k every 3 years for the latest Big Joe just so it can be more like a 23" KK, why not just buy the KK once for a lifetime? Observation the second: Many of those who complain about the price of a KK seem to have no problem shelling out $750 every two years for a new iPhone, and now apparently $2K for a KJ too. Edited January 5, 2017 by HalfSmoke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5698k Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 The external bands make it look more like an rj posk. If this thing ever makes it to production, I'm takin bets they'll never have one pictured next to the real thing. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve M Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 LOL at your comment Dennis. Have you been banned from their Facebook page yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisLinkletter Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 5 hours ago, Steve M said: LOL at your comment Dennis. Have you been banned from their Facebook page yet? I adjusted it.. Bobby and I have spoke on the phone a few times and I have some kind of a relationship with him. I'm guessing I'll get some response.. Still LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 looks like he hid your post now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisLinkletter Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, bosco said: looks like he hid your post now. It's there you just need to click on the photo.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequod Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Yup. Found it under the photo. Gave you a like just because... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I don't really understand why KJ would want to be copying your grill? I mean, it looks very close. I give you credit Dennis for taking it as well as you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony b Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 hours ago, 5698k said: The external bands make it look more like an rj posk. If this thing ever makes it to production, I'm takin bets they'll never have one pictured next to the real thing. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk My thoughts exactly when I saw it. I actually thought it was an older POSK. We'll see if KJ's version doesn't shed tiles as bad as the later POSKs did!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billg71 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 So what is this, a pimped KJ? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ora Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Change your grill every two to three years is that his way of saying our cheap parts won't last that long anyway lol.Outback Kamado Bar and Grill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequod Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Somebody asked about KJ's trade in plan, and Bobby's answer was Craigslist. So...yeah, they're really hoping to keep their loyal customers buying a new one every few years. Heck of a business model if you can pull it off. Edited January 6, 2017 by HalfSmoke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuley Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 I don't think anyone will/would be fooled. You know...I kinda keep my mouth shut at the guru about KJ, but it is rubbing me wrong when folks over there ask about upgrading their current units and it is clear that the answer is "who cares about existing customers". I can't IMAGINE hearing that over here. I would be outraged right now if I had just bought a KJ (which did cross my mind prior to buying my KK)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ora Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 I still have my classic and Jr the Jr has been seeing some use lately but the classic none at all Dee wants to turn it into a flower pot lol I'm holding her at bay . I like the kj warranty to an extent. They replaced my cracked firebox no worries when one of the nuts snapped on the back they sent me a whole new hinge wich is awesome .after posting on guru and emailing kj for some sort of instructions on how to replace the hinge it came with none. no one could tell me I figured it out by myself which was lucky .that was the only let down .not everyone has a degree in kamado engineering .if you can't explain how your own product works then that's different. Outback Kamado Bar and Grill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckreef Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Let me say I try hard to stay out of the KJ, KK debate. In my mind there is nothing to debate. I can recognize the innovations and improvements that KJ is making to their standard product. They are quickly becoming the very best kamado in their price point and I applaud them for that. If a KJ owner thinks they have something comparable to a KK then they just don't know anything about KK's. The only time I step in is when somebody starts spouting off about KK's and they're getting it wrong, I have no problem correcting them. My approach about KK's is simple and somewhat silent. Everybody knows I cook on KK's. I use them almost every night and I use them every way possible. I think I produce killer meals from time to time and let the food speak for the KK. I think I do a reasonably good job using this approach. As for this situation - I have a FB account but I NEVER go on FB so the only thing I've see about this is what's posted here. I haven't see pictures of the inside. If you make a free standing KJ and tile the outside that's all you have. It may look like a KK from a casual appearance but that's as far as it goes. Obviously I don't have to explain the unique KK features to anyone here. POSK's look like a KK from a casual appearance but we all know how that ended up. OK enough rant from Reef. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
