Sharon, thanks, don't you just love those Kuhn Rikon cookers. They are like the KK grills, a piece of art. I only have 3 (LOL) although I do have one of those huge canning pressure cookers. I just recently bought the frying pan one and I love it. it is great for cooking KK bacon, keeps the splatters inside. I have been saving bone in the freezer but never thought about smashing them up. Thanks for that tip and the tip about putting the leftover veggie end on the KK for a few hours. I don't add salt either until the final produce for the stock. I can see some really tasty stock in my future.